"Maybe this world is another planet's hell." Aldous Huxley
By The Challenge, at 20 January, 2006 04:39
Strategic engagement .. among other things .. interesting thoughts, and good observations. Should make this required reading for everyone who's involved in this sad sordid affair.
By Bob K, at 20 January, 2006 04:56
i agree that the moorthy affair is taking on a racial/religious tone but you must understand how deeply we non-muslims feel affected by the incident. the point is, are there 'liberal' minded muslims in the cabinet who feel the same way about equity and justice and will stand with non-muslims? (ie - ayah pin and co, had a hard time finding muslim lawyers to represent their interests or feel strongly enough to do so pro bono). where were they when dr mahathir declared malaysia an 'islamic' state? correct me if i'm wrong but an islamic credential is these days essentail to political survival. any hint of 'secularism'(as u correctly surmise) and you lose your groundroots support...
By David BC Tan, at 20 January, 2006 06:35
Malaysians, or the governement of Malaysia, still have not learned to work together as a country ...
I agreed with you that having a list of 10-non-moslims from the cabinets on the petition list is asking for trouble. Exclusion (on both sides) would only worsen the situations.
By hoong, at 20 January, 2006 10:11
david, I concur with you and I understand the situation. However, if things are going the way it is, then it's gonna be tough. I'm sure the Muslim/non-Muslim dichotomy, especially after the memorandum, cemented the disagreement and encourage other populists (read UMNO Youth) to join in and completely shut off the possibility of amendment. I'm sure the Prime Minister said no yesterday after many see this as a Muslim against non-Muslim issue. That in turn forced the PM to say no because he's a Muslim and he doesn't want to go against the wave.
But perhaps, this is kind of a catch 22 scenario.
By __earth, at 20 January, 2006 21:47
__earth, it indeed is a catch-22. The Muslimat cannot appear to go against anything related to Islam, or risk giving opportunists (i.e. PAS) fodder to nix them. Even the Muslimah will have to draw the line soon (SIS appears to be becoming even more isolated from mainstream Islamic thought). (Recently on a mostly yuppie Malay forum, I caught this gem of a comment that no Muslim dared to disagree with, even though I can name at least three or four liberal regulars there. It's taboo to question Islam, no matter how ridiculous the matter may be.) Therefore, nothing will be done. This is why I am very skeptical about what can be done for Malaysia. In this country, race and religion are more important than the nation. By the time anyone remembers the nation, it's too late. (Note: I am not indicting all or even most Muslims/Malays here. I'm just pointing out the realities of life.)
By johnleemk, at 21 January, 2006 04:12
A good post on the issue.
I agree with you that civil rights groups are currently dominated by non-Muslims, and that in order to deflect the issue from turning into a 'Muslims vs Non-Muslims' thing, those groups need more prominent liberal Muslims in their fold. However, instead of asking why these groups aren't searching for more Muslims to join them, we could also ask why aren't more Muslims interested in joining those groups on their own accord?
I guess we can surmise from the present situation that most Muslims really aren't that interested in participating in those kinds of groups, for whatever reasons. I therefore think educating more Malaysians to raise their awareness of their civil rights is the best way of gradually changing the mindsets of these people.
By sigma, at 21 January, 2006 16:39
Civic education is one area that is sorely lacking in our polity. Our citizens are not particularly aware of what our roles, rights and responsibilities are by virtue of the fact that we are citizens and what the dynamics of a citizen's relationship with his or her government is.
Our concept of national identity is also very lacking. That is why, until today, we still have people arguing about whether Malaysia is a secular state, Islamic state, et al. The various labels tend to be political statements and proclamations that Malaysians seem to adopt, depending on their personal preference, due to the lack of clear understanding about what our identity is (Menj's blanket statement that all non Muslims are already dhimmis whether we like it or not comes into mind).
All these factors come into play when we try to figure out why Malaysians tend to flock together on the basis of ethnicity and/or religion whenever things turn south and civil society remains the arena of the "elite".
By Bob K, at 22 January, 2006 03:57